Когда смотришь на фото под номером 105, то очень хочется верить, что эти люди построили свое светлое и доброе будущее, пускай и ни в этой реальности, а в какой то своей, но уж точно не то г… которое получилось в нашей. Знакомые с творчеством Крапивина, я думаю, меня поймут.
И вообще, какие то очень позитивные эти фотографии, смотря на них совершенно не хочется задумываться о том, что реально творилось в стране в то время, а хочется оказаться на берегу, рядом с теми людьми, и порадоваться вместе с ними отличному улову.
Well, only very few of the photographs showing the dark side of Uprava and Sokskiy realiy at that time survived – because when departing the German families were told by Beriya’s men on the spot that they would not be allowed to take photographs with them back to Germany. And indeed, the belongings of some families were searched for incriminating documents and photos upon departure from Krasnaya Glinka railway station (# 0139) in 1953.(Sorry, it burned down.) However, photos 007 to 009 and 058 show the Gulag Lager (part of BezimyanLag) for women (formerly the Lager for German voennoplennih) working at the ploti and the wood factory at the foot of the Zdavnitsa as well as at the Gipsum Karer between the Zdravnitsa and todays Yuzhniy.
Of course, one had to keep up optimism and a semblance of normal life, – and good work, otherwise there would be no return back to Germany. So, only two days after their arrival via Krasnaya Glinka in that terribly cold November 46, most of the Germans were at work, preparing the start of developing what later became to be known as NK-engines (=N. Kuznetsov). My family, for some starting months, lived at the Zdravnitsa, until our houses in Uprava had been finished by prisoners of war.
Whatever our parents’s worries, for us tha surroundings of Uprava and the Volga with the Island was pure paradise!
As I said, most of us enjoy visiting, passing some vacation in or near Uprava and Glinka and the Samarskaya Luka, and entertain a certain friendly nostalgia by holding every second year a “vetaran meeting” of the still surviving former German Uprava children (which some Russian TV station – and not me – named Trofeyniye deti.
dear mr. spohr, may be you can help me. my father – german POW- lived for six years from 1943 to 1949 in am POW-camp near Samara. The number of the camp was 7234/5. I would be very interested in knowing the exact place of the camp. a point on a good map would be ideal. it is not the camp shown on your pictures. you can contact me in english or german language under
many thanks in advance
Klaus Kolbeck
Dear Klaus Kolbeck,
as I will spend the entire months of July this year in Uprava and Samara for vacation, I hope I will some opportunity to find out about this POW-camp localy and will come back to you then.
Ich werde mich vor Ort nach dem Lager erkundigen und ihnen nach meinem Urlaub berichten, was sich herausfinden ließ.
Best regards
Gunter Spohr
Got it. There are two places where German POWs worked, with attached lager – 7234/5 – the one you are lokking for is situated at the right side of the river Sok just before he enters the Volga river. This is most probably the place. A second karer – Steinbruch – is located just around the corner on a side arm of the Volga river left of and above Krasnaza glinka. Our friends here on the website will correct me if I am wrong. As soon as get the opportunity to scan, I will send you a detailed map if the sites and area.
I know a POW who has been in Lager 7234/5
Wilhelm Klein
Juliusstr 10
38300 Wolfenbuettel
Tel 05331-75355
klein-wilhelm@web/de (you as him for details)
Best regards
Gunter Spohr
presently at Upravlensheskiy gorodok
Hotel U sokolih gor
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Когда смотришь на фото под номером 105, то очень хочется верить, что эти люди построили свое светлое и доброе будущее, пускай и ни в этой реальности, а в какой то своей, но уж точно не то г… которое получилось в нашей. Знакомые с творчеством Крапивина, я думаю, меня поймут.
И вообще, какие то очень позитивные эти фотографии, смотря на них совершенно не хочется задумываться о том, что реально творилось в стране в то время, а хочется оказаться на берегу, рядом с теми людьми, и порадоваться вместе с ними отличному улову.
Well, only very few of the photographs showing the dark side of Uprava and Sokskiy realiy at that time survived – because when departing the German families were told by Beriya’s men on the spot that they would not be allowed to take photographs with them back to Germany. And indeed, the belongings of some families were searched for incriminating documents and photos upon departure from Krasnaya Glinka railway station (# 0139) in 1953.(Sorry, it burned down.) However, photos 007 to 009 and 058 show the Gulag Lager (part of BezimyanLag) for women (formerly the Lager for German voennoplennih) working at the ploti and the wood factory at the foot of the Zdavnitsa as well as at the Gipsum Karer between the Zdravnitsa and todays Yuzhniy.
Of course, one had to keep up optimism and a semblance of normal life, – and good work, otherwise there would be no return back to Germany. So, only two days after their arrival via Krasnaya Glinka in that terribly cold November 46, most of the Germans were at work, preparing the start of developing what later became to be known as NK-engines (=N. Kuznetsov). My family, for some starting months, lived at the Zdravnitsa, until our houses in Uprava had been finished by prisoners of war.
Whatever our parents’s worries, for us tha surroundings of Uprava and the Volga with the Island was pure paradise!
As I said, most of us enjoy visiting, passing some vacation in or near Uprava and Glinka and the Samarskaya Luka, and entertain a certain friendly nostalgia by holding every second year a “vetaran meeting” of the still surviving former German Uprava children (which some Russian TV station – and not me – named Trofeyniye deti.
Gunter Spohr
dear mr. spohr, may be you can help me. my father – german POW- lived for six years from 1943 to 1949 in am POW-camp near Samara. The number of the camp was 7234/5. I would be very interested in knowing the exact place of the camp. a point on a good map would be ideal. it is not the camp shown on your pictures. you can contact me in english or german language under
many thanks in advance
Klaus Kolbeck
Dear Klaus Kolbeck,
as I will spend the entire months of July this year in Uprava and Samara for vacation, I hope I will some opportunity to find out about this POW-camp localy and will come back to you then.
Ich werde mich vor Ort nach dem Lager erkundigen und ihnen nach meinem Urlaub berichten, was sich herausfinden ließ.
Best regards
Gunter Spohr
Got it. There are two places where German POWs worked, with attached lager – 7234/5 – the one you are lokking for is situated at the right side of the river Sok just before he enters the Volga river. This is most probably the place. A second karer – Steinbruch – is located just around the corner on a side arm of the Volga river left of and above Krasnaza glinka. Our friends here on the website will correct me if I am wrong. As soon as get the opportunity to scan, I will send you a detailed map if the sites and area.
I know a POW who has been in Lager 7234/5
Wilhelm Klein
Juliusstr 10
38300 Wolfenbuettel
Tel 05331-75355
klein-wilhelm@web/de (you as him for details)
Best regards
Gunter Spohr
presently at Upravlensheskiy gorodok
Hotel U sokolih gor